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		<title>By: Josiane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josiane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Serendipity and Lean: There are times when being told &quot;you&#039;re not alone&quot; really isn&#039;t helpful at all, but this is *not* one of them...  Thanks to both of you - knowing that you are also feeling the way I was when I wrote that yesterday helped me feel better.  I hope we&#039;ll have the opportunity to hang out together at the Kitchen Table next year!  Until then, big hugs right back at you. :)

@Hiro: I was truly touched by your wonderful words.  Thank you very much for taking the time to share some of your comforting wisdom with me!
.-= Josiane´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://kimianak.posterous.com/noticing-the-dragonfly-edition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Noticing - the dragonfly edition&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Serendipity and Lean: There are times when being told &#8220;you&#8217;re not alone&#8221; really isn&#8217;t helpful at all, but this is *not* one of them&#8230;  Thanks to both of you &#8211; knowing that you are also feeling the way I was when I wrote that yesterday helped me feel better.  I hope we&#8217;ll have the opportunity to hang out together at the Kitchen Table next year!  Until then, big hugs right back at you. :)</p>
<p>@Hiro: I was truly touched by your wonderful words.  Thank you very much for taking the time to share some of your comforting wisdom with me!<br />
.-= Josiane´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://kimianak.posterous.com/noticing-the-dragonfly-edition" rel="nofollow">Noticing &#8211; the dragonfly edition</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Lean Ni Chuilleanain (@leannich)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lean Ni Chuilleanain (@leannich)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More hugs for Josiane, who articulated pretty much exactly how I feel about the Kitchen Table.

I&#039;ll be over in the corner, whimpering a bit and trying to sound as though I&#039;m not.
.-= Lean Ni Chuilleanain (@leannich)´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/11/lace-shawl-in-progress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lace Shawl in Progress&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More hugs for Josiane, who articulated pretty much exactly how I feel about the Kitchen Table.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be over in the corner, whimpering a bit and trying to sound as though I&#8217;m not.<br />
.-= Lean Ni Chuilleanain (@leannich)´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/11/lace-shawl-in-progress/" rel="nofollow">Lace Shawl in Progress</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NC workshop was so incredibly helpful and validating and mind-blowing that I signed up for the Kitchen Table wait list despite the usual thoughts of vast inadequacy (go me!). The idea of having that kind of support ongoing is overwhelming in a good way :) And I will wait my turn and pay in full, cause I know it&#039;ll be worth it.

[[Hug!]]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NC workshop was so incredibly helpful and validating and mind-blowing that I signed up for the Kitchen Table wait list despite the usual thoughts of vast inadequacy (go me!). The idea of having that kind of support ongoing is overwhelming in a good way :) And I will wait my turn and pay in full, cause I know it&#8217;ll be worth it.</p>
<p>[[Hug!]]</p>
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		<title>By: Havi Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havi Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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@Sonia - not at all. I think at the biggest we were at 92, *including* Group Leaders and the beta group. 

I am reasonably sure we could go as high as 100 (plus 10 group leaders), as the absolute outside &quot;this is the highest number imaginable&quot;. Definitely definitely not more than that. 

And I&#039;m not even sure about that as even when we had 65 when we first opened, it was crazy busy all the time. As people have gotten used to each other and to the group, they&#039;ve all become friends and so it seems a lot cozier. But that&#039;s because they&#039;ve had time to adjust.

Every single person gets overwhelmed when they first come in. There are hundreds and hundreds of posts about what to do about being overwhelmed at the Table. And then people figure it out. 

They realize that they don&#039;t have to read everything and respond to everything (or even any of it) and that they don&#039;t have to do anything except Ask For What They Need. 

(And yeah, we tell everyone that in the handbook but apparently most of us need to hear it at least a couple times).

Some people are in all the time, some people take off for a month or two and then come back, some people just hang out in the small groups. So it never feels like ... ohmygod ninety people. 

The key for me though is people who are committed to the same types of things. You know, we&#039;re all in the same goofy-ass duck cult, and we&#039;re interested in destuckifying in relatively nonviolent ways and stuff. 

Hope that makes sense. I have to say that I never really understood the word &quot;community&quot; until doing this. This is a group of people who would do anything to help each other. It&#039;s absolutely wild the way that worked, and I have no idea how I would go about teaching someone to try to recreate it, you know? 

There&#039;s an energy factor and a chemistry factor and a whoah what just happened factor. 

So I guess that&#039;s a long way of shrugging my shoulders and hoping that something in that is useful!</description>
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<p>@Sonia - not at all. I think at the biggest we were at 92, *including* Group Leaders and the beta group. </p>
<p>I am reasonably sure we could go as high as 100 (plus 10 group leaders), as the absolute outside "this is the highest number imaginable". Definitely definitely not more than that. </p>
<p>And I'm not even sure about that as even when we had 65 when we first opened, it was crazy busy all the time. As people have gotten used to each other and to the group, they've all become friends and so it seems a lot cozier. But that's because they've had time to adjust.</p>
<p>Every single person gets overwhelmed when they first come in. There are hundreds and hundreds of posts about what to do about being overwhelmed at the Table. And then people figure it out. </p>
<p>They realize that they don't have to read everything and respond to everything (or even any of it) and that they don't have to do anything except Ask For What They Need. </p>
<p>(And yeah, we tell everyone that in the handbook but apparently most of us need to hear it at least a couple times).</p>
<p>Some people are in all the time, some people take off for a month or two and then come back, some people just hang out in the small groups. So it never feels like ... ohmygod ninety people. </p>
<p>The key for me though is people who are committed to the same types of things. You know, we're all in the same goofy-ass duck cult, and we're interested in destuckifying in relatively nonviolent ways and stuff. </p>
<p>Hope that makes sense. I have to say that I never really understood the word "community" until doing this. This is a group of people who would do anything to help each other. It's absolutely wild the way that worked, and I have no idea how I would go about teaching someone to try to recreate it, you know? </p>
<p>There's an energy factor and a chemistry factor and a whoah what just happened factor. </p>
<p>So I guess that's a long way of shrugging my shoulders and hoping that something in that is useful!</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so great, great to hear about what really works &amp; doesn&#039;t, vs. theories. 

Is it horribly nosy to ask how big the group is? I&#039;m interested in the dynamics of how many people you can realistically create a good sense of community gel with ... lively but not insane. Or at least not insane in a bad way.
.-= Sonia Simone´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheRemarkableCommunicationBlog/~3/0RYsmDeAT0o/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Makes Marketing Hard?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so great, great to hear about what really works &amp; doesn&#8217;t, vs. theories. </p>
<p>Is it horribly nosy to ask how big the group is? I&#8217;m interested in the dynamics of how many people you can realistically create a good sense of community gel with &#8230; lively but not insane. Or at least not insane in a bad way.<br />
.-= Sonia Simone´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheRemarkableCommunicationBlog/~3/0RYsmDeAT0o/" rel="nofollow">What Makes Marketing Hard?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Havi Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havi Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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@Carol - ha! Perfect place for you to show up and say, hey knitters make me some smooshy scarves! I am a bashful non-knitter too (part of my complicated refusal-to-be-domestic complex) but it&#039;s very important to be friends with the people who make the socks. 

:)

@kat - mmmmm, thank you for putting it like that. That is so so beautiful. The &quot;and each other&quot; part is exactly it. It&#039;s so so huge. Yay. I&#039;m glad!</description>
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<p>@Carol - ha! Perfect place for you to show up and say, hey knitters make me some smooshy scarves! I am a bashful non-knitter too (part of my complicated refusal-to-be-domestic complex) but it's very important to be friends with the people who make the socks. </p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>@kat - mmmmm, thank you for putting it like that. That is so so beautiful. The "and each other" part is exactly it. It's so so huge. Yay. I'm glad!</p>
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		<title>By: spiralsongkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiralsongkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to you, Havi, and to everyone who has gathered around the Kitchen Table!  Sounds as if it&#039;s been quite a feast so far, and a glorrrrrious year.

I also agree with Elizabeth about the ripple effect.  All along the Internet, for example, I keep seeing glimmers of Kitcheners biggifying themselves &lt;i&gt;and each other&lt;/i&gt;, step by step, in grand gestures and in five minute love pats.  That kind of thing is a model and an inspiration to us all.  What you&#039;re cooking in the Kitchen smells delicious, and we all get fed!
.-= spiralsongkat´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://spiralsongkat.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/blogging-in-the-dark/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blogging in the dark&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to you, Havi, and to everyone who has gathered around the Kitchen Table!  Sounds as if it&#8217;s been quite a feast so far, and a glorrrrrious year.</p>
<p>I also agree with Elizabeth about the ripple effect.  All along the Internet, for example, I keep seeing glimmers of Kitcheners biggifying themselves <i>and each other</i>, step by step, in grand gestures and in five minute love pats.  That kind of thing is a model and an inspiration to us all.  What you&#8217;re cooking in the Kitchen smells delicious, and we all get fed!<br />
.-= spiralsongkat´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://spiralsongkat.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/blogging-in-the-dark/" rel="nofollow">Blogging in the dark</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Logan Newbill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Logan Newbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm.  Well, since I broke my hand two years ago it hurts too much to knit, so perhaps I don&#039;t belong at the Table.  I wish I could knit, though.  I just found out my probable future daughter-in-law loves soft smooshy scarves.
.-= Carol Logan Newbill´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://2fishweb.com/blog/2009/10/two-great-ways-to-send-your-readers-fleeing-into-the-night/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Great Ways to Send Your Readers Fleeing into the Night&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  Well, since I broke my hand two years ago it hurts too much to knit, so perhaps I don&#8217;t belong at the Table.  I wish I could knit, though.  I just found out my probable future daughter-in-law loves soft smooshy scarves.<br />
.-= Carol Logan Newbill´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://2fishweb.com/blog/2009/10/two-great-ways-to-send-your-readers-fleeing-into-the-night/" rel="nofollow">Two Great Ways to Send Your Readers Fleeing into the Night</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahala Mazerov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahala Mazerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG insights here for me as I think of creating the Kindness Community. Right now it&#039;s making me think &quot;I&#039;m not ready!&quot; Which may or may not be true. Will give it time to percolate and not put start deadlines on myself. 

...am also thinking I should have slipped in through the last-minute screen door to the kitchen before it closed last time. 

Looks like I&#039;m surrounded by lots of good company in the waiting room.

Hiro, I love: &quot;You belong because you&#039;re loved, and you&#039;re loved because you are.&quot; Is that too long for a tee shirt?
.-= Mahala Mazerov´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://luminousheart.com/2009/11/meditation-tender-heart/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tender Edges of Your Heart&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIG insights here for me as I think of creating the Kindness Community. Right now it&#8217;s making me think &#8220;I&#8217;m not ready!&#8221; Which may or may not be true. Will give it time to percolate and not put start deadlines on myself. </p>
<p>&#8230;am also thinking I should have slipped in through the last-minute screen door to the kitchen before it closed last time. </p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;m surrounded by lots of good company in the waiting room.</p>
<p>Hiro, I love: &#8220;You belong because you&#8217;re loved, and you&#8217;re loved because you are.&#8221; Is that too long for a tee shirt?<br />
.-= Mahala Mazerov´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://luminousheart.com/2009/11/meditation-tender-heart/" rel="nofollow">Tender Edges of Your Heart</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron shaw phd</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron shaw phd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here here.  Sometimes extra prep is not the way to go!
.-= aaron shaw phd´s last post ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.babyanimals.info/2009/11/baby-animal-of-day-kiwi_1357.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baby Animal of the Day! Kiwi!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here here.  Sometimes extra prep is not the way to go!<br />
.-= aaron shaw phd´s last post &#8230; <a href="http://www.babyanimals.info/2009/11/baby-animal-of-day-kiwi_1357.html" rel="nofollow">Baby Animal of the Day! Kiwi!</a> =-.</p>
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