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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this Havi; some form of that question has been floating around in my mind for months and until now I hadn&#039;t been able to find an answer that resonated with me (or really much of an answer at all).  

my version of hard lies in this:
why do so many people feel like the fact that i&#039;m self-employed means that they can give me (unsolicited) advice on how to run my business (...when they certainly would not tell a 9-5er how to do their job...and they have no experience running a small business)?

and i think that everything you said here applies equally well to that.  you gave me some great ideas on how to approach it the next time i receive that &quot;advice&quot;.  

Thank you.
.-= Laura&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ArguingTheMobius/~3/uCTKv3WNor8/lessons-from-2-year-old.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lessons from a 2 year old!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this Havi; some form of that question has been floating around in my mind for months and until now I hadn&#8217;t been able to find an answer that resonated with me (or really much of an answer at all).  </p>
<p>my version of hard lies in this:<br />
why do so many people feel like the fact that i&#8217;m self-employed means that they can give me (unsolicited) advice on how to run my business (&#8230;when they certainly would not tell a 9-5er how to do their job&#8230;and they have no experience running a small business)?</p>
<p>and i think that everything you said here applies equally well to that.  you gave me some great ideas on how to approach it the next time i receive that &#8220;advice&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
.-= Laura&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ArguingTheMobius/~3/uCTKv3WNor8/lessons-from-2-year-old.html" rel="nofollow">Lessons from a 2 year old!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, outlawing questions which relate your life&#039;s worth to your work or relationship status would be AWESOME.

Until then, I suppose I&#039;ll resist responding, &quot;What does it matter? Do you really need to compare me with your kids I went to school with? or with yourself? When I have a pitch for something I want you to be a part of, you&#039;ll know.&quot;  Then again, that sounds mighty tempting. Too bitchy for sovereignty?
.-= claire&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TallerThanAverageTales/~3/sWI7chTRwKY/pizza-and-patience-it-tries.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pizza and the patience it tries&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, outlawing questions which relate your life&#8217;s worth to your work or relationship status would be AWESOME.</p>
<p>Until then, I suppose I&#8217;ll resist responding, &#8220;What does it matter? Do you really need to compare me with your kids I went to school with? or with yourself? When I have a pitch for something I want you to be a part of, you&#8217;ll know.&#8221;  Then again, that sounds mighty tempting. Too bitchy for sovereignty?<br />
.-= claire&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TallerThanAverageTales/~3/sWI7chTRwKY/pizza-and-patience-it-tries.html" rel="nofollow">Pizza and the patience it tries</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate T.W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate T.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I much prefer the question &#039;so what are you up to these days?&#039; it feels so &#039;of the moment&#039;-- I could respond with anything, &#039;I&#039;m renovating my bedroom,&#039; or &#039;I&#039;m writing a novel&#039;, whatever I feel like sharing with that particular person at the moment.  And when I ask the question it feels less invasive than &#039;what are you doing&#039;.
.-= Kate T.W.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://amusingfire.blogspot.com/2009/09/lynda-barry-rocks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lynda Barry Rocks!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I much prefer the question &#8216;so what are you up to these days?&#8217; it feels so &#8216;of the moment&#8217;&#8211; I could respond with anything, &#8216;I&#8217;m renovating my bedroom,&#8217; or &#8216;I&#8217;m writing a novel&#8217;, whatever I feel like sharing with that particular person at the moment.  And when I ask the question it feels less invasive than &#8216;what are you doing&#8217;.<br />
.-= Kate T.W.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://amusingfire.blogspot.com/2009/09/lynda-barry-rocks.html" rel="nofollow">Lynda Barry Rocks!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Havi Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havi Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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Yay. 

@Elizabeth - man, I am so sorry that you&#039;re going through that with the neighbor! Ick! Hard! Shoes! 

I think it&#039;s really important to remember (as I&#039;m hearing from you) that even if/when we *know* that someone&#039;s intention is good, sometimes knowing that is not enough. 

Because, you know, we&#039;re in pain from what they say. And in those cases we need to make sure we have some protective distance, both emotional and physical from these situations. 

@Ryan - nice! I love that they&#039;re asking you for advice now. 

That&#039;s been my experience too, that the people who were the biggest nay-sayers when they started this thing are now much less intimidated by entrepreneurship in general. 

@claire - ohmygod, the question &quot;So what are you doing these days&quot; should be outlawed. So stressful! Really, it&#039;s like you can&#039;t win with that one. :)</description>
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Yay. </p>
<p>@Elizabeth &#8211; man, I am so sorry that you&#8217;re going through that with the neighbor! Ick! Hard! Shoes! </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s really important to remember (as I&#8217;m hearing from you) that even if/when we *know* that someone&#8217;s intention is good, sometimes knowing that is not enough. </p>
<p>Because, you know, we&#8217;re in pain from what they say. And in those cases we need to make sure we have some protective distance, both emotional and physical from these situations. </p>
<p>@Ryan &#8211; nice! I love that they&#8217;re asking you for advice now. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s been my experience too, that the people who were the biggest nay-sayers when they started this thing are now much less intimidated by entrepreneurship in general. </p>
<p>@claire &#8211; ohmygod, the question &#8220;So what are you doing these days&#8221; should be outlawed. So stressful! Really, it&#8217;s like you can&#8217;t win with that one. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this is just what I needed. I will be person #2 next year, and there is concern in abundance. (My neighbor likes to continually point out that my dog will soon have to eat kibble and ask if I am really ready for poverty. And that&#039;s just my neighbor.) I know they all mean well and care about me, but it mostly just gives me a perpetual urge to write a blog post titled &quot;please don&#039;t be a dream squasher.&quot; I think your method will be much more useful.
.-= Elizabeth&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://retinalperspectives.typepad.com/retinalperspectives/2009/09/patiently-waiting.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patiently waiting&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this is just what I needed. I will be person #2 next year, and there is concern in abundance. (My neighbor likes to continually point out that my dog will soon have to eat kibble and ask if I am really ready for poverty. And that&#8217;s just my neighbor.) I know they all mean well and care about me, but it mostly just gives me a perpetual urge to write a blog post titled &#8220;please don&#8217;t be a dream squasher.&#8221; I think your method will be much more useful.<br />
.-= Elizabeth&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://retinalperspectives.typepad.com/retinalperspectives/2009/09/patiently-waiting.html" rel="nofollow">patiently waiting</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Meray &#124; ctechsinc.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Meray &#124; ctechsinc.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago, I had to put up with this phenomenon as everyone in my life told me I needed to get a &#039;real job.&#039;  Sure, I still haven&#039;t made up the income that I might&#039;ve been making at one of these alleged &#039;real jobs,&#039; but I&#039;m happy, my biz is growing, and now people who used to poo-poo my decision are asking me about employment opportunities.

Your advice is spot-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I had to put up with this phenomenon as everyone in my life told me I needed to get a &#8216;real job.&#8217;  Sure, I still haven&#8217;t made up the income that I might&#8217;ve been making at one of these alleged &#8216;real jobs,&#8217; but I&#8217;m happy, my biz is growing, and now people who used to poo-poo my decision are asking me about employment opportunities.</p>
<p>Your advice is spot-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love Havi&#039;s responses. Recognize that the other person *really is* trying to help because they care.  (In my exp. if I don&#039;t think they really care, their comments don&#039;t really have much impact.)  
If this doesn&#039;t give me enough space to gracefully acknowledge their perspective while maintaining my own, or if they are really pushing hard, I use this little phrase, similar to Deb Owen&#039;s:
&quot;Thanks for your perspective.  I&#039;ll take it under advisement.&quot;  
Often once is enough to at least get them to move on to another topic, but if not, the phrase can be repeated as often as necessary for them to get the point that the conversation has gone as far as it&#039;s going to go for now.
.-= Liz&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dreamgardencoaching.com/size-matters-why-big-goals-are-different-from-small-goals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Size Matters–  Why Big Goals are Different from Small Goals&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love Havi&#8217;s responses. Recognize that the other person *really is* trying to help because they care.  (In my exp. if I don&#8217;t think they really care, their comments don&#8217;t really have much impact.)<br />
If this doesn&#8217;t give me enough space to gracefully acknowledge their perspective while maintaining my own, or if they are really pushing hard, I use this little phrase, similar to Deb Owen&#8217;s:<br />
&#8220;Thanks for your perspective.  I&#8217;ll take it under advisement.&#8221;<br />
Often once is enough to at least get them to move on to another topic, but if not, the phrase can be repeated as often as necessary for them to get the point that the conversation has gone as far as it&#8217;s going to go for now.<br />
.-= Liz&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://dreamgardencoaching.com/size-matters-why-big-goals-are-different-from-small-goals/" rel="nofollow">Size Matters–  Why Big Goals are Different from Small Goals</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic, Havi. Exactly what I needed today.

I&#039;ve found that oftentimes when people bring me &quot;advice&quot; or can&#039;t believe that I&#039;m taking care of myself and my stuff in my way instead of theirs, it&#039;s really not about me or the way I&#039;m dealing with your stuff at all. It&#039;s about them and the way they&#039;re dealing with theirs. But - either way - opening that dialogue in a way that honors both my feelings/needs/boundaries and theirs has been incredibly powerful.

The gentle reminder was needed. :)
.-= Charlotte&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inspir-it.com/work/intrepidation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Intrepid(ation).&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic, Havi. Exactly what I needed today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that oftentimes when people bring me &#8220;advice&#8221; or can&#8217;t believe that I&#8217;m taking care of myself and my stuff in my way instead of theirs, it&#8217;s really not about me or the way I&#8217;m dealing with your stuff at all. It&#8217;s about them and the way they&#8217;re dealing with theirs. But &#8211; either way &#8211; opening that dialogue in a way that honors both my feelings/needs/boundaries and theirs has been incredibly powerful.</p>
<p>The gentle reminder was needed. :)<br />
.-= Charlotte&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.inspir-it.com/work/intrepidation/" rel="nofollow">Intrepid(ation).</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Lean Ni Chuilleanain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lean Ni Chuilleanain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, resonance. So much resonance.

My parents could worry for Ireland, as they say. I love what Deb Owen said above about accepting that their intentions are loving, even if their modes of expression tend to make me feel backed into a corner.

The support thing: I recently told a friend about my new blog, and hinted that I wanted it to grow into something that would earn money. And it was like confessing to a crime. Incredibly risky. The rolling sense of relief I felt when he said &quot;wow, cool!&quot; (or words to that effect) is indescribable.

This is what I need from the people around me: I need them to go &quot;wow, cool!&quot; first, and ask questions later - and I mean &lt;em&gt;kind, respectful questions&lt;/em&gt; that make it clear they&#039;re not challenging my basic decision.

Tricky.

But thanks for articulating it so clearly.
.-= Lean Ni Chuilleanain&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/09/sunday-stash-no-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sunday Stash, no. 2&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, resonance. So much resonance.</p>
<p>My parents could worry for Ireland, as they say. I love what Deb Owen said above about accepting that their intentions are loving, even if their modes of expression tend to make me feel backed into a corner.</p>
<p>The support thing: I recently told a friend about my new blog, and hinted that I wanted it to grow into something that would earn money. And it was like confessing to a crime. Incredibly risky. The rolling sense of relief I felt when he said &#8220;wow, cool!&#8221; (or words to that effect) is indescribable.</p>
<p>This is what I need from the people around me: I need them to go &#8220;wow, cool!&#8221; first, and ask questions later &#8211; and I mean <em>kind, respectful questions</em> that make it clear they&#8217;re not challenging my basic decision.</p>
<p>Tricky.</p>
<p>But thanks for articulating it so clearly.<br />
.-= Lean Ni Chuilleanain&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/09/sunday-stash-no-2/" rel="nofollow">Sunday Stash, no. 2</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beacause you asked so nicely, and because they are so very apt:

Jack, he is a banker
And Jane, she is a clerk
Both of them save their monies, ha
And when, when they come home from work

Some people, they like to go out dancing
And other peoples, they have to work, just watch me now!
And there&#039;s even some evil mothers
Well they&#039;re gonna tell you that everything is just dirt

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beacause you asked so nicely, and because they are so very apt:</p>
<p>Jack, he is a banker<br />
And Jane, she is a clerk<br />
Both of them save their monies, ha<br />
And when, when they come home from work</p>
<p>Some people, they like to go out dancing<br />
And other peoples, they have to work, just watch me now!<br />
And there&#8217;s even some evil mothers<br />
Well they&#8217;re gonna tell you that everything is just dirt</p>
<p>jon</p>
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