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		<title>By: 25 Things You Can Learn From Havi (and Selma) - Blogging Tips From Jade Craven</title>
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		<dc:creator>25 Things You Can Learn From Havi (and Selma) - Blogging Tips From Jade Craven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] expanded on this in her Ask Havi column about hiring help The other huge piece of advice I got from Michael --and this was my lightbulb thing-- was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Work Happy Now! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Keep a Good Things Notebook at Your Desk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work Happy Now! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Keep a Good Things Notebook at Your Desk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Fluent Self wrote a brilliant piece about hiring help. Go check it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Weekly Brief (Week Ending June 14, 2009) &#124; The Inspired Solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Weekly Brief (Week Ending June 14, 2009) &#124; The Inspired Solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fluent Self: &#8220;Ask Havi #23: Hiring? Help?&#8221; &#8212; if you&#8217;re thinking about hiring some help for your office this summer or fall, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chel / chelpixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chel / chelpixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation.  It&#039;s huge coming from you!

Anyone looking to hire for the first time or maybe for the second or third (or...) and are just scared about getting it right, Havi has nailed it.

Great relationships even with employees, assistants, and others takes time.  When you do get to hiring, be very specific about the task that you need done and the time frame you have in mind.  Clear communication will help tenfold to build a new (and great) working relationship.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Chel / chelpixies last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/chelpixiedotcom/~3/6RyAq3T4eGs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A small trick to save you time when moving your Wordpress blog (and backup advice!)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation.  It&#8217;s huge coming from you!</p>
<p>Anyone looking to hire for the first time or maybe for the second or third (or&#8230;) and are just scared about getting it right, Havi has nailed it.</p>
<p>Great relationships even with employees, assistants, and others takes time.  When you do get to hiring, be very specific about the task that you need done and the time frame you have in mind.  Clear communication will help tenfold to build a new (and great) working relationship.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Chel / chelpixies last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/chelpixiedotcom/~3/6RyAq3T4eGs/" rel="nofollow">A small trick to save you time when moving your Wordpress blog (and backup advice!)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah M. Greer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah M. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Hi, Havi *smile*)

Ugh ... the horrors of hiring. *grimace* 

I spent years in a job where turnover in my assistant position was pretty high. I was there 9 years and had 5 assistants. A big cause of the turnover was that the job was too much. Too many skills (bookkeeping, graphic design, writing, event planner) from too many diverse areas (advertising, production, admin support) to exist in one person (at least a person who was willing to work for the salary we were able to offer).

Things got so much better when ...
a) we got clear about what the job actually was (not what we wished it could be!) 
b) we got clear about how long training would take (About 6 mos, not 2 weeks)
c) I was given greater authority in choosing the final candidate.
d)I added much more weight to my answer to the question &quot;How would it feel to sit in a meeting once a week with this person?&quot; 
e) I followed my friend R&#039;s advice -- Hire smart, capable, likeable people and teach them how to do what you want. (I guess it worked, he recommended me for the job I eventually took there!)

Thanks for sharing your &quot;process&quot; (*smile*).

singingly,
sg

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sarah M. Greers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Songtaneous/~3/CVRYPZdGsWs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Food for Thought #6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hi, Havi *smile*)</p>
<p>Ugh &#8230; the horrors of hiring. *grimace* </p>
<p>I spent years in a job where turnover in my assistant position was pretty high. I was there 9 years and had 5 assistants. A big cause of the turnover was that the job was too much. Too many skills (bookkeeping, graphic design, writing, event planner) from too many diverse areas (advertising, production, admin support) to exist in one person (at least a person who was willing to work for the salary we were able to offer).</p>
<p>Things got so much better when &#8230;<br />
a) we got clear about what the job actually was (not what we wished it could be!)<br />
b) we got clear about how long training would take (About 6 mos, not 2 weeks)<br />
c) I was given greater authority in choosing the final candidate.<br />
d)I added much more weight to my answer to the question &#8220;How would it feel to sit in a meeting once a week with this person?&#8221;<br />
e) I followed my friend R&#8217;s advice &#8212; Hire smart, capable, likeable people and teach them how to do what you want. (I guess it worked, he recommended me for the job I eventually took there!)</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your &#8220;process&#8221; (*smile*).</p>
<p>singingly,<br />
sg</p>
<p><abbr><em>Sarah M. Greers last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Songtaneous/~3/CVRYPZdGsWs/" rel="nofollow">Food for Thought #6</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Dick Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, have hired a gazillion people in my previous lives.  And one terribly important thing that I discovered is that the ability to &quot;give great interview&quot; seems to have absolutely no connection to whether or not someone will be successful on the job.  (Unless, of course, you&#039;re hiring someone to be interviewed for job openings all day.)

In fact, there&#039;s often an inverse relationship between &quot;talking&quot; and &quot;doing&quot; -- I&#039;m a good example -- because the very skills that make me able to charm you in an interview mean I&#039;m not very good at stacking all your boxes in neat little rows, day after day. Day after mind-numbing, head-exploding, personality-draining --- whoops!

I&#039;ve found that if you want to judge &quot;customer service&quot; skills, just role-play a difficult customer on the phone.  If you want to judge sales skills, get them to try to sell your desk stapler to you.  If you want to judge organization skills, give them five minutes to outline a plan for a surprise birthday party on the whiteboard and talk you through it.

DOING trumps TALKING almost every time, unless you&#039;re hiring them for talking.

(BTW, I&#039;m available to give absolutely AMAZING interviews by appointment for a very reasonable price.)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dick Carlsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techherding.com/2009/06/amazing-content-twix-to-gain-traffic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazing Content Twix To Gain Traffic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, have hired a gazillion people in my previous lives.  And one terribly important thing that I discovered is that the ability to &#8220;give great interview&#8221; seems to have absolutely no connection to whether or not someone will be successful on the job.  (Unless, of course, you&#8217;re hiring someone to be interviewed for job openings all day.)</p>
<p>In fact, there&#8217;s often an inverse relationship between &#8220;talking&#8221; and &#8220;doing&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m a good example &#8212; because the very skills that make me able to charm you in an interview mean I&#8217;m not very good at stacking all your boxes in neat little rows, day after day. Day after mind-numbing, head-exploding, personality-draining &#8212; whoops!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that if you want to judge &#8220;customer service&#8221; skills, just role-play a difficult customer on the phone.  If you want to judge sales skills, get them to try to sell your desk stapler to you.  If you want to judge organization skills, give them five minutes to outline a plan for a surprise birthday party on the whiteboard and talk you through it.</p>
<p>DOING trumps TALKING almost every time, unless you&#8217;re hiring them for talking.</p>
<p>(BTW, I&#8217;m available to give absolutely AMAZING interviews by appointment for a very reasonable price.)</p>
<p><abbr><em>Dick Carlsons last blog post..<a href="http://www.techherding.com/2009/06/amazing-content-twix-to-gain-traffic/" rel="nofollow">Amazing Content Twix To Gain Traffic</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Anna-Liza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna-Liza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a hiree, I have to say I look for that &quot;fit&quot; as well. All my bestest jobs have been ones I didn&#039;t necessarily have experience with, but where I was a good fit mentally/emotionally with the company and believed what it was doing in the world was a good thing. 

I can learn anything with the right training. 

Okay, maybe not playing linebacker - I guess I have to consider physical limitations. But I&#039;d get the theory just fine.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anna-Lizas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://prsunshine.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/pollyanna-is-way-out-of-touch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pollyanna Is Way Out of Touch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a hiree, I have to say I look for that &#8220;fit&#8221; as well. All my bestest jobs have been ones I didn&#8217;t necessarily have experience with, but where I was a good fit mentally/emotionally with the company and believed what it was doing in the world was a good thing. </p>
<p>I can learn anything with the right training. </p>
<p>Okay, maybe not playing linebacker &#8211; I guess I have to consider physical limitations. But I&#8217;d get the theory just fine.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anna-Lizas last blog post..<a href="http://prsunshine.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/pollyanna-is-way-out-of-touch/" rel="nofollow">Pollyanna Is Way Out of Touch</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: marion barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>marion barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is true.  It also helps to ask people what they&#039;ve done before, specific examples, because if they did it for someone else, they will do it for you... If they have to be able to deal with angry customers, for example, get them to tell you about a time when they dealt with an angry person... how did they react, what was the result?  That way, you&#039;ll hear not just how they do their job, you&#039;ll hear the values and beliefs they have about people...it&#039;s a good way of checking out &#039;fit&#039;.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;marion barnetts last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://artmixter.blogspot.com/2009/06/workshop-fun.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Workshop Fun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is true.  It also helps to ask people what they&#8217;ve done before, specific examples, because if they did it for someone else, they will do it for you&#8230; If they have to be able to deal with angry customers, for example, get them to tell you about a time when they dealt with an angry person&#8230; how did they react, what was the result?  That way, you&#8217;ll hear not just how they do their job, you&#8217;ll hear the values and beliefs they have about people&#8230;it&#8217;s a good way of checking out &#8216;fit&#8217;.</p>
<p><abbr><em>marion barnetts last blog post..<a href="http://artmixter.blogspot.com/2009/06/workshop-fun.html" rel="nofollow">Workshop Fun</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Havi Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havi Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://fluentself.com/images/blog/ducks/Selma_tinyW.png&quot;&gt; 

@Deb - you&#039;re right that it&#039;s super complicated. It&#039;s not a question I feel comfortable answering either. 

And at the same time I&#039;m pretty sure that people who are already terrified about how they&#039;re going to pay for a $35/hour or even $60/hour VA are not even going to look into the option of hiring someone to help them choose. 

Most of us hire help when we&#039;re already way past the point when we should have considered it. 

Ideally, we&#039;d have people who have tiny businesses already testing out help before they needed it and &quot;growing into it&quot; a few hours a month. Practically, I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s going to happen either. 

But I wish they would. You are absolutely right that it&#039;s not something that we can necessarily learn to do (or even want to -- I was wishing for a fairy godmother pretty much the whole time). :)

@Ankesh - that is very cool. I had no idea. 

Coffee idea is a good one too except that I&#039;ve never actually met any of the people who work for me. Will consider it if I decide to hire local!

@Barbara - wow. That just brought back the memory of a hundred miserable interviews. :)

@Hiro - excellent additions. Super helpful. *blows kiss*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://fluentself.com/images/blog/ducks/Selma_tinyW.png"/> </p>
<p>@Deb &#8211; you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s super complicated. It&#8217;s not a question I feel comfortable answering either. </p>
<p>And at the same time I&#8217;m pretty sure that people who are already terrified about how they&#8217;re going to pay for a $35/hour or even $60/hour VA are not even going to look into the option of hiring someone to help them choose. </p>
<p>Most of us hire help when we&#8217;re already way past the point when we should have considered it. </p>
<p>Ideally, we&#8217;d have people who have tiny businesses already testing out help before they needed it and &#8220;growing into it&#8221; a few hours a month. Practically, I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s going to happen either. </p>
<p>But I wish they would. You are absolutely right that it&#8217;s not something that we can necessarily learn to do (or even want to &#8212; I was wishing for a fairy godmother pretty much the whole time). :)</p>
<p>@Ankesh &#8211; that is very cool. I had no idea. </p>
<p>Coffee idea is a good one too except that I&#8217;ve never actually met any of the people who work for me. Will consider it if I decide to hire local!</p>
<p>@Barbara &#8211; wow. That just brought back the memory of a hundred miserable interviews. :)</p>
<p>@Hiro &#8211; excellent additions. Super helpful. *blows kiss*</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually....this has been bothering me all afternoon.  With years of experience behind me, there is an art form to hiring.  There are ways to interview.  There are ways to know that people can do what they say they can do.  There are even ways to identify what behavioral type (someone more detail oriented) that you need....and if that person fits that role.  There are ways to know if a person has the attributes you&#039;re looking for and are &#039;train-able&#039; on the rest....or not.

If people are truly at the point where they&#039;re ready to hire people, and are unsure how to do so, I&#039;d recommend any number of HR and recruiter sites that offer information on just this type of thing.

It really is more complicated.  
If it wasn&#039;t, everyone would be &#039;a natural&#039; at it.

I&#039;d have just let it go, except for my attempt at a supportive earlier comment.  And I just didn&#039;t feel right leaving it at that.
Sorry.

All the best!
deb

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Deb Owens last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://debowen.typepad.com/8hours/2009/06/leading-a-life-of-quiet-desperation-finding-purpose-passion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leading a life of quiet desperation?  (finding purpose &amp; passion)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually&#8230;.this has been bothering me all afternoon.  With years of experience behind me, there is an art form to hiring.  There are ways to interview.  There are ways to know that people can do what they say they can do.  There are even ways to identify what behavioral type (someone more detail oriented) that you need&#8230;.and if that person fits that role.  There are ways to know if a person has the attributes you&#8217;re looking for and are &#8216;train-able&#8217; on the rest&#8230;.or not.</p>
<p>If people are truly at the point where they&#8217;re ready to hire people, and are unsure how to do so, I&#8217;d recommend any number of HR and recruiter sites that offer information on just this type of thing.</p>
<p>It really is more complicated.<br />
If it wasn&#8217;t, everyone would be &#8216;a natural&#8217; at it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have just let it go, except for my attempt at a supportive earlier comment.  And I just didn&#8217;t feel right leaving it at that.<br />
Sorry.</p>
<p>All the best!<br />
deb</p>
<p><abbr><em>Deb Owens last blog post..<a href="http://debowen.typepad.com/8hours/2009/06/leading-a-life-of-quiet-desperation-finding-purpose-passion.html" rel="nofollow">leading a life of quiet desperation?  (finding purpose &amp; passion)</a></em></abbr></p>
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